tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post3056728436863894436..comments2024-03-04T08:09:48.871+00:00Comments on Just pleasantly floundering around.....: Conflict againMolly Potterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16322262170382594290noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-57175590083824131992010-10-03T22:31:49.318+01:002010-10-03T22:31:49.318+01:00Hehe, but now you've got me pondering on that ...Hehe, but now you've got me pondering on that bell curve and what exactly makes us change our "truth", why can we be persuaded on some subjects but never others? Much to ponder upon!<br /><br />Been ages since I was in the Fat Cat, really must revisit it some time.AndyCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-47839324602840261872010-10-03T10:52:51.997+01:002010-10-03T10:52:51.997+01:00Ah now I am Sunday morning fresh.
Yes it's cle...Ah now I am Sunday morning fresh.<br />Yes it's clear to me now.<br /><br />Agreeing, disagreeing - all great. It's just about how it is done. Simple. Thank you Andy CMolly Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16322262170382594290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-42956247597629063242010-10-03T00:03:46.974+01:002010-10-03T00:03:46.974+01:00Ah Andy C - very well put! I had a bit about progr...Ah Andy C - very well put! I had a bit about progression that I deleted in the original post - because I was diverging so much - I really was doing my own head in.<br /><br />I had a further debate today about 'progress' and how it happens considering the range of viewpoints. What makes collective consciousness (the middle of the bell curve)move/change exactly? We considered how some collective views can hinge on power and fear (e.g. Hitler). But benign progression e.g. anti-racism, prejudice. human rights ideals etc comes of serious time spent mulling collectively and a slow movement in the right direction - doesn't it? A luxury of our basic needs being met and a slow move up Maslow's hierarchy.<br /><br />Disagreements are great - yes - but like you say - not so if we kill each other over them, but also not great if we cannot receive any learning from them because we cannot even bring ourselves to try to see where the other view might be coming from.<br /><br />When it gets to killing...agreeing to disagree respectfully is preferable!<br /><br />Do you still drink in the Fat Cat?<br />?Molly Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16322262170382594290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-30111229242039837802010-10-02T23:30:51.508+01:002010-10-02T23:30:51.508+01:00The problem with agreeing to disagree is that if e...The problem with agreeing to disagree is that if everyone did it, we'd all be in the same boat as if everyone agreed. Life would be dull and humanity would not progress. It is the very nature of conflict and its resolution that makes humans such a successful species, it constantly forces us to push boundaries and better our understanding of the world and the people in it.<br /><br />The problem with religious disagreements is that they fundamentally can't ever reach agreement and neither 'side' can ever be proven 'right' (to paraphrase Douglas Adams - religion requires faith and faith requires a lack of proof). Religious arguments, therefore, can only continue to escalate unless we learn to put those differences aside.<br /><br />Disagreements are great. Killing each other over them is when we let ourselves down.AndyCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-3581598627259282052010-10-02T08:05:28.034+01:002010-10-02T08:05:28.034+01:00EG...I like that...sort of. I might try to convinc...EG...I like that...sort of. I might try to convince someone that racism was wrong, for example -I would not be able to help myself - but as to everyone's different paths in life...<br /><br />Eric.<br />I used to spend hours with an etch-a-sketch as a child. Not sure what that illustrates.<br /><br />..you made me laugh and ponder and then want to try and draw a meaningful diagram (!) and then I thought it would just be best to have a cup of tea.<br /><br />I disagree to disagree or agree to agree. Although I might start a war.<br /><br /><br />xMolly Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16322262170382594290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-33825193670040222032010-10-01T23:27:32.340+01:002010-10-01T23:27:32.340+01:00I suppose that 'disagree to disagree' is s...I suppose that 'disagree to disagree' is similar to 'agree to agree', but the latter is more agreeable.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09174000870387556118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-15146968420350196242010-10-01T23:26:14.086+01:002010-10-01T23:26:14.086+01:00I'm using an Etch-eh-Sketch to draw out my con...I'm using an Etch-eh-Sketch to draw out my continuum of agree-ed-ness. It's four squares, bottom left is 'disagree to disagree', top left is 'agree to disagree', bottom right is 'disagree to agree', and top right is of course 'agree to agree'. On the 'Z' axis is logic, positive values are up, negative down. I think I want to be high in the center of it all.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09174000870387556118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4438823154447008264.post-18332128799415582462010-10-01T21:29:25.279+01:002010-10-01T21:29:25.279+01:00The older I get, the more I know for a fact, we al...The older I get, the more I know for a fact, we all want to believe exactly what we each want to believe. <br /><br />Some try to convince others that theirs is the only way, and others are evolved enough to know that we are each believing what we want to believe and not trying to convince others.Everyday Goddesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00486528297252417282noreply@blogger.com